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Sauquet, H.

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bioRxiv2025

Unveiling the tempo of molecular and morphological evolution across the Tree of Life

The evolution of Earths vast genetic and morphological diversity has been explained by an array of macroevolutionary models. At opposite ends of the spectrum lie two contrasting evolutionary models: phyletic gradualism and punctuated equilibria. Under a phyletic gradualism framework, evolutionary change accumulates along lineages and species are steadily transformed into new forms over time. In contrast, under punctuated equilibria, evolutionary change tends to occur in bursts at speciation events. Previous studies of molecular and morphological data have found varying levels of support for the two evolutionary models. We examined these models using comprehensive molecular and morphological data sets from 40 clades across the Tree of Life. Testing for associations between species richness and the amount of evolutionary change in sister clades, we find little evidence to support the punctuated equilibria model. However, we found high levels of among-lineage rate variation in molecular evolution and particularly morphological evolution. Our comparison of coding and non-coding genomic regions revealed contrasting patterns of among-lineage rate variation, without clear trends across taxa. Our study confirms that heterotachy is a dominant feature in macroevolution and that molecular and morphological evolution cannot simply be described by either a gradual or punctuated model.

evolutionary biology↗

bioRxiv2025

Seed fossil record of Solanaceae revisited

The fossil record for Solanaceae has a complex taxonomic history, with many species originally described in the family being subsequently shown to belong in other plant families. In this work, we present an in-depth analysis of the nightshade seed fossil record, which corresponds to the largest amount of fossil material for the family despite having relatively few described taxa. We re-examined 110 fossil seeds previously assigned either to one of the six taxa or unplaced within the family. All fossils were imaged and measured for 14 discrete and continuous characters, and a subset of 22 well-preserved specimens was additionally subjected to micro-CT scanning. In parallel, we scored the same set of characters for seeds from 354 extant taxa of Solanaceae. We carried out a multivariate analysis of the combined extinct and extant dataset to visualize the placement of fossil seeds within Solanaceae seed morphospace. This analysis revealed a wide spread of fossils across morphospace, including a variety of shapes, sizes and testal wall features. For one fossil taxon (Hyoscyosperma daturoides Deanna & S.D.Sm. gen. et sp. nov.), the micro-CT images confirmed the presence of an elaiosome, otherwise only known in the family from the genus Datura L. Based on these analyses, we re-circumscribe three species and describe six new taxa (four in new genera), doubling the number of fossil seed species in the family. The broad geographic and stratigraphic distribution of these diverse taxa, from Eocene North America and Europe to Pleistocene Eurasia, support the notion that the Solanaceae is likely a family of a late Cretaceous origin that attained nearly a cosmopolitan distribution by the Eocene.

paleontology↗

bioRxiv2025

Organellar data sets confirm overall angiosperm relationships if problematic RNA-edit sites are accounted for in mitochondrial genomes

PremisePlastid-based data sets continue to play a major role in our understanding of early flowering-plant relationships, although organellar genomes of major lineages outside the monocots and eudicots remain under-sampled. A tendency of mitochondrial RNA-edit sites to mislead phylogenetic analysis in mixed transcriptomic/genomic data sets needs attention in angiosperm-wide studies, which only rarely consider mitochondrial genomes. MethodsWe compared mitochondrial- vs. plastid-based phylogenomic inferences, examined the effect of removing putative RNA-edit sites from mitochondrial data, and performed combined organellar analysis (plastid plus filtered mitochondrial genomes). We expanded taxon sampling for multiple angiosperm lineages for phylogenomic analysis using both organellar genomes, representing several poorly sampled lineages (in particular Degeneriaceae, Trimeniaceae) with smaller (few-gene) data sets. ResultsPlastid-based inferences recover well-supported relationships that align with and build upon previous studies, and recover well-supported internal relationships for two ANA-grade families (Hydatellaceae, Trimeniaceae) sampled for nearly all species. By contrast, unfiltered mitochondrial inferences of angiosperm phylogeny are generally poorly supported, and recover anomalous relationships compared to plastid-based inferences. However, removing putative mitochondrial RNA-edit sites dramatically reduces inter-organellar conflict and improves overall branch support. ConclusionsWe accounted for phylogenomic discordance between the two organellar genomes regarding overall angiosperm-wide relationships and filled in taxonomic gaps (poorly sampled lineages). Removing RNA edit sites substantially improves congruence in interorganellar inferences by effectively correcting a systematic bias in mitochondrial data. Uncertain relationships persist among five major mesangiosperm lineages in plastid-based inferences, but a clade comprising Chloranthales, Ceratophyllales and eudicots is well supported by filtered mitochondrial data.

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bioRxiv2025

Rampant transitions between dispersal syndromes duringangiosperm evolution

O_LIAngiosperms have evolved a diverse range of seed dispersal syndromes that have undoubtedly played a key role in their evolutionary history and rise to dominance. However, it remains largely unknown how ancestral angiosperm seeds were dispersed, when and how frequent dispersal-related characters and syndromes evolved, and whether these syndromes facilitated biome and pollination mode transitions. C_LIO_LIWe integrated a large phylogeny and several dispersal-related characters for >1200 species representing all extant angiosperm families. We used phylogenetic comparative methods to infer ancestral states of major angiosperm clades, trends in the evolution of dispersal syndromes, and evolutionary correlations between dispersal syndromes, biomes and pollination modes. C_LIO_LIWe show that angiosperms were ancestrally most likely animal-dispersed (zoochory) and had fleshy, indehiscent fruits. Over macroevolutionary time, frequent transitions between dispersal syndromes occurred, often with non-specialised (autonomous) dispersal as an intermediate state. Finally, we found that dispersal syndrome evolution affected transition rates among biomes and among pollination modes. C_LIO_LIThe number of dispersal syndrome transitions exceeded pollination mode transitions by a factor of five, emphasizing lability in dispersal syndrome evolution. The progressive evolution of diaspore complexity led to frequent and repeated evolution of dispersal syndromes, critical for the colonization of angiosperms across modern biomes. C_LI

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bioRxiv2025

Classification of Urticaceae based on morphology and phylogenetic inference

The Urticaceae (ca. 2600 species) were first formally recognized by Jussieu in the 18th century and last comprehensively monographed by Weddell in the 19th century. Since Weddells work, family delimitation has been modified and many genera described in a fragmented manner. Over the past two decades, numerous molecular studies have supported the inclusion of Cecropiaceae within Urticaceae and identified paraphyly in several genera, notably Laportea, Urera, Boehmeria, Parietaria, Pellionia, and Pouzolzia. However, few studies have translated these molecular insights into a revised taxonomy. This study aimed to provide a robust, updated classification for Urticaceae by: a) increasing taxon and genomic locus sampling through the integration of newly generated sequence data with previously published datasets; and b) incorporating morphological data to support a revised delimitation of tribes and genera, and to establish a new linear sequence for the family. We also sought to identify remaining taxonomic challenges. Using Sanger and Angiosperms353 sequence data, we constructed a phylogenetic framework for 57 out of 59 currently accepted genera. We also assessed the phylogenetic informativeness of 57 morphological characters by mapping them onto the phylogeny. Our analyses support the delimitation of 61 monophyletic genera and an infrafamilial classification comprising seven tribes, two of which we describe as new: Myriocarpeae and Leukosykeae. We provide a revised linear sequence for the family. Our classification reinstates several names previously treated as synonyms (Fleurya, Leptocnide, Margarocarpus, Polychroa, Scepocarpus, Sceptrocnide), places several genera in synonymy (Hemistylus and Rousselia under Pouzolzia; Hesperocnide under Urtica; Gesnouinia and Soleirolia under Parietaria), and proposes the recognition of two new genera, Muimar gen. nov. and Pouzolziella gen. nov., to accommodate Boehmeria nivea and Pouzolzia australis, respectively. Mapping morphological characters onto the phylogeny indicates that while most states are homoplastic at the family level, their combination is valuable for recognizing genera. Geographic character mapping suggests a high degree of spatial conservatism at the genus rank. Our dated ultrametric tree suggests an origin for Urticaceae in Indomalaya during the mid-Cretaceous, followed by establishment in the Laurasian boreotropical flora and subsequent dispersal to the neotropics and Africa. Once classified within an evolutionary framework we believe that the Urticaceae represent a valuable study system in evolutionary biology for investigating transitions across biomes, the drivers of floral trait evolution, and intrinsic speciation mechanisms. New tribes: --Leukosykeae, Myriocarpeae New genera: --Muimar, Pouzolziella

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bioRxiv2024

Evolutionary rates of nuclear and organellar genomes are linked in land plants

O_LIPlants carry genetic material in three compartments, the nuclear, mitochondrial, and chloroplast genomes. These genomes interact with each other to various degrees and are subject to shared evolutionary drivers exerted by their host organisms. However, it is not clear whether the three plant genomes display covarying evolutionary signals. C_LIO_LIWe tested for correlated evolutionary rates between nuclear and organellar genomes using extensive data sets from the major clades of land plants (Embryophyta), including mosses, ferns, gymnosperms, and angiosperms. To examine the evolutionary dynamics in parasitic angiosperms, which are under distinctive selective pressures, we analysed data sets from mistletoes, broomrapes, sandalwoods, and rafflesias. C_LIO_LIEvolutionary rates of nuclear and organellar genomes were positively linked in land plants, except in the parasitic angiosperms. We also found similar positive correlations for rates of nonsynonymous and synonymous change between nuclear and organellar genomes. Our results also reveal extensive evolutionary rate variation across land plant taxa. C_LIO_LIOverall, we find that nuclear, mitochondrial, and chloroplast genomes in land plants share similar drivers of mutaNon rates, despite considerable variaNon in life history, morphology, and genome sizes among clades. Our findings lay the foundaNon for further exploraNon of the impact of co-evoluNonary interacNons on shared evoluNonary rates between genomes. C_LI

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bioRxiv2024

Traits related to pollination and mating result in diverse reproductive strategies in angiosperms

O_LIFlowering plants have many modes of sexual reproduction, notably varying from selfing to outcrossing, and from bisexual flowers to individuals with separate sexes (dioecy). These reproductive modes are associated with floral and life-history traits that have evolved together, making it difficult to interpret correlations between traits. C_LIO_LIWe analysed variation in 21 traits related to flowers, pollination, mating, sexual systems and life history from 361 species representative of flowering plant diversity. C_LIO_LIOutcrossing was mainly found among long-lived, large-stature plants, but hermaphroditic outcrossers and dioecious species appeared as largely non-overlapping strategies in the trait space. Level of floral investment was the main difference between these strategies, with dioecious species having generally smaller, less rewarding flowers, a pattern that also occurred in biotically pollinated species. C_LIO_LIThis multi-trait study shows that pollination can be achieved in many, often contrasting, ways. Despite extensive variation in reproductive traits, dioecy stands out as being linked to floral traits primarily, while correlations with lifespan and dispersal traits appear spurious. We provide a conceptual framework based on lifespan, floral investment, and sexual separation that can be used to integrate pollination, reproduction and plant growth in future research on plant evolution and ecology. C_LI

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bioRxiv2024

APCalign: an R package workflow and app for aligning and updating flora names to the Australian Plant Census

Here we present "APCalign", an R package and accompanying browser-sourced application to align and update scientific names for Australian vascular plants to the most likely currently accepted name using the Australian Plant Census (APC) or a name in the Australian Plant Names Index (APNI). Scientific names are the label assigned to unique taxon concepts by the scientific community, but this common terminology is most useful if a taxon concept is consistently referred to by the same name. These links can be broken due to either spelling mistakes or taxonomic changes. Automated tools are required to resolve taxon lists, aligning and updating long lists of possibly erroneous scientific names to the most likely currently accepted names. It is essential that tools specific to the APC/APNI be developed, as these lists specify an endorsed national-level nomenclature used in government legislation and include the uniquely Australian concept of phrase names, absent in global taxonomic datasets. To align input names to names within the APC or APNI, "APCalign" works progressively through a sequence of checks that combine different permutations of the input name, exact versus fuzzy matches, matches that consider the entire name input versus a subset of words, and character strings that indicate a name can only be resolved to a genus or family. The aligned names are then, when possible, updated to a currently accepted taxon concept within the APC. This package should facilitate all research outputs that require diverse scientific name lists to be merged or outdated lists to be updated.

plant biology↗

bioRxiv2024

Towards a phylogenomic classification of Magnoliidae

PremiseMagnoliidae are a strongly supported clade of angiosperms. Previous phylogenetic studies based primarily on analyses of a limited number of mostly plastid markers have led to the current classification of magnoliids into four orders and 18 families. However, uncertainty remains regarding the placement of several families. MethodsHere we present the first comprehensive phylogenomic analysis of Magnoliidae as a whole, sampling 235 species from 199 (74%) genera and representing all families and most previously accepted subfamilies and tribes. We analyze newly generated data from the Angiosperms353 probe set using both coalescent and concatenation analyses and testing the impact of multiple filtering and alignment strategies. ResultsWhile our results generally provide further support for previously established phylogenetic relationships in both magnoliids as a whole and large families including Annonaceae and Lauraceae, they also provide new evidence for previously ambiguous relationships. In particular, we find support for the position of Hydnoraceae as sister to the remainder of Piperales and, for the first time, resolve the backbone of relationships among most genera of Myristicaceae. ConclusionsAlthough some of our results are limited by low gene recovery for a number of taxa and significant gene tree conflict for some relationships, this study represents a significant step towards reconstructing the evolutionary history of a major lineage of angiosperms. Based on these results, we present an updated phylogenetic classification for Magnoliidae, recognizing 21 families, summarizing previously established subfamilies and tribes, and describing new tribes for Myristicaceae.

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bioRxiv2023

The AusTraits Plant Dictionary

Traits with intuitive names, a clear scope and explicit description are essential for all trait databases. Reanalysis of data from a single database, or analyses that integrate data across multiple databases, can only occur if researchers are confident the trait concepts are consistent within and across sources. The lack of a unified, comprehensive resource for plant trait definitions has previously limited the utility of trait databases. Here we describe the AusTraits Plant Dictionary (APD), which extends the trait definitions included in the new trait database AusTraits. The development process of the APD included three steps: review and formalisation of the scope of each trait and the accompanying trait description; addition of trait meta-data; and publication in both human and machine-readable forms. Trait definitions include keywords, references and links to related trait concepts in other databases, and the traits are grouped into a hierarchy for easy searching. As well as improving the usability of AusTraits, the Dictionary will foster the integration of trait data across global and regional plant trait databases.

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bioRxiv2023

Insects pollinated flowering plants for most of angiosperm evolutionary history

O_LIPollination is a fundamental process driving the speciation of angiosperms (flowering plants). Most contemporary angiosperms are insect pollinated, but abiotic pollination by wind or water and vertebrate pollination by birds or mammals occurs in many lineages. We model the evolution of pollination across angiosperms and quantify the timing and environmental associations of pollination shifts. C_LIO_LIWe use a robust dated phylogeny and trait-independent species-level sampling across all families of angiosperms to model the evolution of pollination modes. Data on the pollination system or syndrome of 1160 species were collated from primary literature. C_LIO_LIAngiosperms were ancestrally insect pollinated, and insects have pollinated angiosperms for approximately 86% of angiosperm evolutionary history. Wind pollination evolved at least 42 times, with few reversals back to animal pollination. Transitions between insect and vertebrate pollination were more frequent: vertebrate pollination evolved at least 39 times from an insect pollinated ancestor with at least 26 reversals. The probability of wind pollination increases with habitat openness (measured by Leaf Area Index) and with distance from the equator. C_LIO_LIOur reconstruction of pollination across angiosperms sheds light on a key question in angiosperm macroevolution, highlighting the long history of interactions between insect pollinators and angiosperms still vital to global biodiversity today. C_LI

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bioRxiv2022

Profile of a flower: How rates of morphological evolution drive floral diversification in Ericales

Premise of the StudyRecent studies of floral disparity in the asterid order Ericales have shown that flowers vary strongly among families and that disparity is unequally distributed between the three flower modules (perianth, androecium, gynoecium). However, it remains unknown whether these patterns are driven by heterogeneous rates of morphological evolution or other factors. MethodsHere, we compiled a dataset of 33 floral characters scored for 414 extant ericalean species sampled from 346 genera and all 22 families. We conducted ancestral state reconstructions using an equal rates Markov models for each trait. We used the rates estimated during the ancestral state reconstruction for comparing evolutionary rates between flower modules, creating a "rate profile" of ericalean flowers. Key ResultsThe androecium exhibits the highest evolutionary rates across most characters, whereas most perianth and gynoecium characters evolve slower. High and low rates of morphological evolution can result in high floral disparity in Ericales. Analyses of an angiosperm-wide floral dataset reveal that this pattern appears to be conserved across most major angiosperm clades. ConclusionsElevated rates of morphological evolution in the androecium of Ericales may explain the higher disparity reported for this floral module. We discuss the implications of heterogenous morphological rates of evolution among floral modules from a functional perspective. Comparing rates of morphological evolution through rate profiles proves to be a powerful tool in understanding floral evolution.

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bioRxiv2022

Evaluating the accuracy of methods for detecting correlated rates of molecular and morphological evolution

Determining the link between genomic and phenotypic evolution is a fundamental goal in evolutionary biology. Insights into this link can be gained by using a phylogenetic approach to test for correlations between rates of molecular and morphological evolution. However, there has been persistent uncertainty about the relationship between these rates, partly because conflicting results have been obtained using various methods that have not been examined in detail. We carried out a simulation study to evaluate the performance of five statistical methods for detecting correlated rates of evolution. Our simulations explored the evolution of molecular sequences and morphological characters under a range of conditions. Of the methods tested, Bayesian relaxed-clock estimation of branch rates was able to detect correlated rates of evolution correctly in the largest number of cases. This was followed by correlations of root-to-tip distances, Bayesian model selection, independent sister-pairs contrasts, and likelihood-based model selection. As expected, the power to detect correlated rates increased with the amount of data, both in terms of tree size and number of morphological characters. Likewise, the performance of all five methods improved when there was greater rate variation among lineages. We then applied these methods to a data set from flowering plants and did not find evidence of a correlation in evolutionary rates between genomic data and morphological characters. The results of our study have practical implications for phylogenetic analyses of combined molecular and morphological data sets, and highlight the conditions under which the links between genomic and phenotypic rates of evolution can be evaluated quantitatively.

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bioRxiv2022

Trait-dependent diversification in angiosperms: patterns, models and data

Variation in species richness across the tree of life, accompanied by the incredible variety of ecological and morphological characteristics found in nature, has inspired many studies to link traits with species diversification. Angiosperms are a highly diverse group that has fundamentally shaped life on earth since the Cretaceous, and illustrate how species diversification affects ecosystem functioning. Numerous traits and processes have been linked to differences in species richness within this group, but we know little about how these interact and their relative importance. Here, we synthesized data from 152 studies that used state-dependent speciation and extinction (SSE) models on angiosperm clades. Intrinsic traits related to reproduction and morphology were often linked to diversification but a set of universal drivers did not emerge as traits did not have consistent effects across clades. Importantly, dataset properties were correlated to SSE model results - trees that were larger, older, or less well-sampled tended to yield trait-dependent outcomes. We compared these properties to recommendations for SSE model use and provide a set of best practices to follow when designing studies and reporting results. Finally, we argue that SSE model inferences should be considered in a larger context incorporating species ecology, demography and genetics.

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bioRxiv2022

Integrating Fossil Flowers into the Angiosperm Phylogeny using a Total Evidence Approach

Fossil flowers are essential to infer past angiosperm evolutionary processes. The assignment of fossil flowers to extant clades has traditionally relied on morphological similarity and on apomorphies shared with extant taxa. The use of explicit phylogenetic analyses to establish their affinity has so far remained limited. In this study, we built a comprehensive framework to investigate the phylogenetic placement of 24 exceptionally preserved fossil flowers. For this, we assembled a new species-level dataset of 30 floral traits for 1201 extant species that were sampled to represent the stem and crown nodes of all angiosperm families. We explored multiple analytical approaches to integrate the fossils into the phylogeny, including different phylogenetic estimation methods, topological-constrained analyses, and a total evidence approach combining molecular and morphological data of extant and fossil species. Our results were widely consistent across approaches, with minor differences in the support of fossils at different phylogenetic positions. The placement of some fossils is in agreement with previously suggested relationships, but for others, a new placement is indicated. We also identified fossils that are well constrained within particular extant families, whereas others showed high phylogenetic uncertainty. Finally, we present recommendations for future total evidence analyses, regarding the selection of fossils and appropriate methodologies, and provide some perspectives on how to integrate fossils into the investigation of divergence times and the temporal evolution of morphological traits.

paleontology↗

bioRxiv2021

Climate shapes flowering periods across plant communities

AimClimate shapes the composition and function of plant communities globally, but it remains unclear how this influence extends to floral traits. Flowering phenology, or the time period in which a species flowers, has well-studied relationships with climatic signals at the species level but has rarely been explored at a cross-community and continental scale. Here, we characterise the distribution of flowering periods (months of flowering) across continental plant communities encompassing six biomes, and determine the influence of climate on community flowering period lengths. LocationAustralia TaxonFlowering plants MethodsWe combined plant composition and abundance data from 629 standardised floristic surveys (AusPlots) with data on flowering period from the AusTraits database and additional primary literature for 2,983 species. We assessed abundance-weighted community mean flowering periods across biomes and tested their relationship with climatic annual means and the predictability of climate conditions using regression models. ResultsCombined, temperature and precipitation (annual mean and predictability) explain 29% of variation in continental community flowering period. Plant communities with higher mean temperatures and lower mean precipitation have longer mean flowering periods. Moreover, plant communities in climates with predictable temperatures and, to a lesser extent, predictable precipitation have shorter mean flowering periods. Flowering period varies by biome, being longest in deserts and shortest in alpine and montane communities. For instance, desert communities experience low and unpredictable precipitation and high, unpredictable temperatures and have longer mean flowering periods, with desert species typically flowering at any time of year in response to rain. Main conclusionsOur findings demonstrate the role of current climate conditions in shaping flowering periods across biomes, with implications under climate change. Shifts in flowering periods across climatic gradients reflect changes in plant strategies, affecting patterns of plant growth and reproduction as well as the availability of floral resources across the landscape.

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bioRxiv2021

Chromosome-level de novo genome assembly of Telopea speciosissima (New South Wales waratah) using long-reads, linked-reads and Hi-C

Telopea speciosissima, the New South Wales waratah, is an Australian endemic woody shrub in the family Proteaceae. Waratahs have great potential as a model clade to better understand processes of speciation, introgression and adaptation, and are significant from a horticultural perspective. Here, we report the first chromosome-level genome for T. speciosissima. Combining Oxford Nanopore long-reads, 10x Genomics Chromium linked-reads and Hi-C data, the assembly spans 823 Mb (scaffold N50 of 69.0 Mb) with 97.8 % of Embryophyta BUSCOs complete. We present a new method in Diploidocus (https://github.com/slimsuite/diploidocus) for classifying, curating and QC-filtering scaffolds, which combines read depths, k-mer frequencies and BUSCO predictions. We also present a new tool, DepthSizer (https://github.com/slimsuite/depthsizer), for genome size estimation from the read depth of single copy orthologues and estimate the genome size to be approximately 900 Mb. The largest 11 scaffolds contained 94.1 % of the assembly, conforming to the expected number of chromosomes (2n = 22). Genome annotation predicted 40,158 protein-coding genes, 351 rRNAs and 728 tRNAs. We investigated CYCLOIDEA (CYC) genes, which have a role in determination of floral symmetry, and confirm the presence of two copies in the genome. Read depth analysis of 180 Duplicated BUSCO genes suggest almost all are real duplications, increasing confidence in protein family analysis using annotated protein-coding genes, and highlighting a possible need to revise the BUSCO set for this lineage. The chromosome-level T. speciosissima reference genome (Tspe_v1) provides an important new genomic resource of Proteaceae to support the conservation of flora in Australia and further afield.

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bioRxiv2021

Pulled Diversification Rates, Lineage-Through-Time Plots and Modern Macroevolutionary Modelling

AO_SCPLOWBSTRACTC_SCPLOWEstimating time-dependent rates of speciation and extinction from dated phylogenetic trees of extant species (timetrees), and determining how and why they vary, is key to understanding how ecological and evolutionary processes shape biodiversity. Due to an increasing availability of phylogenetic trees, a growing number of process-based methods relying on the birth-death model have been developed in the last decade to address a variety of questions in macroevolution. However, this methodological progress has regularly been criticised such that one may wonder how reliable the estimations of speciation and extinction rates are. In particular, using lineages-through-time (LTT) plots, a recent study (Louca and Pennell, 2020) has shown that there are an infinite number of equally likely diversification scenarios that can generate any timetree. This has lead to questioning whether or not diversification rates should be estimated at all. Here we summarize, clarify, and highlight technical considerations on recent findings regarding the capacity of models to disentangle diversification histories. Using simulations we demonstrate the characteristics of newly-proposed "pulled rates" and their utility. We recognize that the recent findings are a step forward in understanding the behavior of macroevolutionary modelling, but they in no way suggest we should abandon diversification modelling altogether. On the contrary, the study of macroevolution using phylogenetic trees has never been more exciting and promising than today. We still face important limitations in regard to data availability and methodological shortcomings, but by acknowledging them we can better target our joint efforts as a scientific community.

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